Not Just a Method, But a Relationship: Systems Thinking in Place

Written By The Lab Team

The Systems Sandbox Podcast, June 2025

Sand box with different interconnected shapes

In the Systems Sandbox podcast, hosts Matt Healey and Tenille Moselen explore the world of systems thinking and complexity.

In June, Angie Tangaere and Penny Hagen were invited to share what it means to lead transformative, Indigenous-led systems change rooted in place, relationships, and real-world learning.

In this conversation, Angie and Penny talk about the importance of rethinking how government works with communities, to why personal healing matters in policy reform.

Click here to listen to the full podcast episode.

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